I still think Warner is the shadow candidate. If not I'll support whatever decision Obama makes. But I've  always seen the two as a good match stylistically.

Mark Warner basically has one more year of experience as governor of Virginia than Tim Kaine, that's it.  Yet according to conventional wisdom, Warner has plenty of experience and Kaine doesn't have enough.  Kaine was Lt. Governor under Mark Warner for 4 years before he became governor.

Is Warner really that much better than Kaine?

but how is that TR worthy - uprating.

That's my problem with Hillary. I used to worry that she'd turn out all the Republicans, but the slime campaign from McCain has managed to appeal to Republicans' inner scumbag. Right wing assholes will already vote against Obama.

Clinton helps sell the campaign to blue collar voters and working class women. He also keeps Obama more competitive among older voters.

The problem, though, is not Hillary but many of the people she surrounds herself with. Terry McAullife is insufferable. And who can forgive Hillary for hiring and holding on to Mark Penn for so long?

And then there's Bill. I'm frankly not sure that he helps given the passive aggressive statements he's made recently about energy policy.